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Kwame
Hello, everybody. Welcome to Beyond Influence. Today we are very lucky to be graced by a Netflix reality superstar with one of the arguably the most iconic, sleeping and waking up moments in, like, reality TV history. She embodies everything that is pure, joyful. her bio says, she's just here for the vibes, and she really is just that, a complete vibe.
So today we have Tiffany with us. Thank you so much for joining us, Tiffany Pennywell. How are you today?
Tiffany
Wow, what an intro. Thank you so much.
Scott
Forgot about the sleeping moment. I was like, oh, that's great, I forgot.
Tiffany
Oh, I'll never look down.
Kwame
Yeah, it's funny, when I, when I was doing the guest promo, I put three emojis for people to guess, and I have, I have to have maybe 150 people who have already guessed. This is probably Tiffany, isn't it?
Tiffany
Oh, it was.
Kwame
It's a queen, a queen, a pair of sneakers and a sleepy face.
Tiffany
Oh, good.
Kwame
Well, Tiff, thanks so much for joining us. I wanted to just start off with, Hey, how was your weekend? It seems like you've got a new look. You told me a little bit about what was going on. Tell us about it.
Tiffany
And see, you know, Memorial Day, a weekend. I spent it in a chair getting my hair braided for nine hours. So that's all I did. Yeah, yeah. Oh, and I caught up on, Bridgerton, Queen Charlotte. Oh, right. I know I'm late, but goodness, that is an amazing show so far. So that's all I did this weekend.
Scott
My whole family's all into Bridgerton. I get the update and I'm like, I don't know. I don't know if I can, if I can get on board, but.
Kwame
Yeah, it's taking over my timeline.
Scott
Oh, me, that is a huge fan. He just doesn't talk about it a lot.
Tiffany
And the algorithm is pushing it to your feet.
Scott
So I'm curious. I know, you know, you talk to me a lot more, but, you know, how's life been? It seems like you're all over the world. You got a lot going on. Yeah. it just feels like you're, you know, you got this amazing thing going. Tell us a little bit more about it.
Tiffany
Well, I think for me, I just really wanted to have fun with my partner as soon as I got married. So, like, we've really just made it a point to just have fun sometimes live outside of social media. We just travel a lot and I don't, I guess just try to spin or do new things together. So that's what we've been focused on.
What? This. Yeah, we just made two years, two years of marriage. So that's all that's going on. Now we're in the process of buying a home. So we just started looking around the Portland area for home prices here. Okay.
Scott
That's funny seeing your guys' posts because you guys are in my neck of the woods. I'm outside of Portland, grew up in the area, so.
Tiffany
Oh. What part?
Scott
I grew up in the southwest kind of Tiger Lake Oswego. And I live in Vancouver, where we have Portland close, but taxes in Washington, it's nice.
Tiffany
Vancouver? Yes. I heard that is an upcoming area like they have like this beautiful waterfront. I'm always there for, you know, the vibes in the restaurant.
Kwame
With that being said, it's funny because I think about, you know, your anniversary being or a day after hours. Yeah. Y'all y'all or. Yeah. So I will never, ever forget. You want to get an anniversary that works out.
Tiffany
Well, no excuses I know.
Kwame
But like, it's really fun having gone through this whole journey together, you know, I always think about the fact that I have these really awesome famous friends.
Tiffany
Right?
Kwame
And, you know, y'all are super cool. And I really look up to you all, and I just finished talking to Brett. What, just a few days ago. Just kind of just talking about life catching up and getting some advice because, you know, y'all are my Netflix siblings. You know, I think that's.
Tiffany
Yeah, I always tell people like, we're a family and all of this, like the process that we went through was just so expert, expedite it and it can be a little scary. You know, we're all newlyweds just trying to figure this out. But like on a public scale. And so just having people that you can like turn to for advice like I know if I go to Chelsea, she'll understand what I'm saying.
Tiffany
If I go to Bliss, she'll understand. So it's been cool going through this with you guys.
Scott
I'm curious, you know, when you went on the show, were you active on social? Did you have a following of any kind? Was this a whole new thing? I know we talked to Chelsea. That was kind of like she went from not engaging to suddenly having, you know, a couple hundred thousand people watching her every move and feeling like needing to do something or put something out there for this, this audience.
Tiffany
Yeah, absolutely. I was active probably once every six months, and I was only on Instagram, so this was all new to me. I think getting a following overnight can be a little intimidating. Definitely was for me and I'm just like, “What do I say? What should I do? Like, are my posts okay?” And when you're in the show or when the show is airing, they want you to put out some kind of content to help promote the show as well.
So, like, even that was hard for me. I didn't know what to post, what to say, how to make it engaging. So yeah, I've been learning this last year.
Scott
It's interesting too. We talked a little bit about, you know, the different dynamics in reality TV production and how different people get kind of you guys, maybe had the most amazing kind of glorious representation on the show. But there's also this pressure. I feel like if you're painted as perfection in all of your posts and then your married life after, like, how do you put content and is it reinforcing that?
Are you allowing a little bit of the real, you know, or the different you, the non-perfect, the non-edited you to show up and what does that look like. versus others are trying to overcome a negative perception that was painted of them. Like what was that pressure like you know on social.
Tiffany
So I don't think I feel any pressure. it's just bread and it's like, what you. So Kwami knows that it's just him. I think for me. And they showed a lot of his story, too. I think for me, I felt a little pressure to show up as perfect on social media, but also, I didn't know how to talk about myself, other than my love story, because that the career side of Tiffany was never shown on the show.
Tiffany
So for me to just be like, hey, yeah, these are my friends. This is the life I built in Seattle and hey, yes, now I'm in Portland. They only show Tiffany falling in love. And so I feel like at the time, that's what my audience wanted to see. Just these beautiful pictures of Brett and I living our best lives unbothered.
And it's changed now, though, I feel more fine with just putting out content that's just more representative of me. Definitely on my stories.
Scott
That's awesome.
Kwame
Yeah, I think, that is a really difficult transition. I think when it comes to the way that, you know, we were shown to the world, right? You're brought to the world. Is this person who got married on reality TV. This was the portrayal of your story. And so that's how everyone sees you for the longest time. You know, I love my marriage.
I'm very happy about it. But I think, like, sometimes I get on my nerves when I literally go anywhere, I just be like, I'd be out with my. I hang out with my boy Jimmy a lot. Well, I'll go to a movie or we'll grab a drink or whatever. He's like the guy I just hang out with and everywhere I go, people would be like, We're Chelsea.
Tiffany
I'm like, yeah.
Kwame
You know, like, can I just be like for like five minutes, you know what I'm saying? And so I definitely feel that and trying to fill in all the gaps of who you are as a person around the story that was given to the world can be really difficult because every it almost feels like every post or every thing that you give to the world has to be calculated in the way that you want them to, just like, understand you as a human being.
Tiffany
Absolutely, I totally agree.
Kwame
I mean, obviously now we're fortunate we've been to this awesome experience. and we're, we're getting to really encompass, like all the other parts of what we want to do. And a question that I have for you because I know I had it for myself. Right. Since I was presented in this way, I didn't really have a niche as an influencer, you know?
And so as you're starting to build your brand, have you started to see any things that have really stood out more in terms of, like the categories that you fit in?
Tiffany
Absolutely, yes. Starting out, I would think management companies would ask me, Tiffany well, so tell us, what is your niche? I was like, “What is a niche?” Me like, I mean, I'm just me. I'm Tiffany. But the longer that I've been in this space and really having to dive into things like what truly makes me happy and light up, and how do I want to share that with the world?
I started to realize I'm a big travel girl, but not in the sense of like, I want to do all the touristy things or I'm solely going shopping and showing you my clothes. No, I want to show you the experiences that you can have there because, like, I truly believe, and I've always encouraged my friends to step outside of their comfort zone and truly experience the essence of the place that you're visiting.
So anywhere that I go, like, I, I want to travel and I want to share that with others and show them like, yes, and you can you can have this experience too. So I've noticed that I'm doing that more recently, especially with my travel to Japan. But I want to start doing that more. and I want to do it with different brands too.
Like, I want to be able to go on these brand trips and not only help, partner with the brand, but to experience the place and share that with my family. I was just going to say the last thing was beauty. But it's only because, like, people always comment on my hair and my makeup and, one thing I don't do naturally is just sheer like getting ready with me.
I always share the final product, but I stress about like, how do I film this to make sure it looks okay? And do I have the right lighting? so I want to start doing more of that, and get better at that in that space because I love makeup.
Scott
I love this kind of idea around identity. And I think about it, maybe it's a funny parallel, but I think about, you know, new moms, for instance. And I think about, like, the identity shift, you have your friend group, you have your identity, you have you and your partner, and you know what makes you Tiffany? And then for you, there is this moment you go on the show, and now it's Tiffany and Bratt and Netflix and Love is Blind, and it's this thrust upon you identity, which is exciting and and it's new, but it's also how do you rationalize that against what you know of yourself for the first 20 some years of your life? And, and now there's this kind of third, how do I bring this all together and this representation of me to this audience? And I think that journey is super cool, and it's probably not without a lot of soul searching and maybe feeling like you've lost yourself and having to rediscover, you know, we talked about Call Me, we talked with Jason Tartick and others about like connecting all the parts of yourself in your head, in your heart, in your identity, in this kind of new, profound way.
If it feels like you've been on that journey.
Tiffany
Oh my goodness, yes, this I've only been very public for a year now. So in that year was a lot of soul searching, a lot of discovering who I am as I'm now 38. As a 38 year old, but I really thought I knew myself. But having to tell that to so many different people, yeah, it's intimidating.
But at the same time you start digging a little deeper into who you are.
Kwame
As someone who is now emerging and finding different things about what they want to represent. Have you seen your I guess, like your behaviors or the way that you handle influencing, you know, have you seen that change since you've started?
Tiffany
How I've handled influencing? Well, let's see. So I guess one part is like the brands that I want to partner with, I think I've always had certain values, within myself and what I look for in a company when I choose to partner with them. And I'm glad I've kind of stayed true to that. but as far as.
Wait. I'm sorry. Kwame, repeat that question one more time. Like, I just went on a tangent and lost myself for a second.
Kwame
That is A-okay. I love you know, I love that. Just go ahead and lose yourself sometimes. I was asking, like, how you handle influencing, you know, because I've seen, like, myself when I first started out, I would be really picky about what I put on my page. And then one day I woke up and I was like, you know what?
I have a post today that bombs and I can have a post tomorrow. That is astronomical, right? And so I've started to just feel like whenever I get an opportunity to just show something, yeah, I'll show it. And if the people take it in, they take it in. And if they don't, sometimes they don't, you know, how have you seen yourself kind of grow in that sense?
Tiffany
So like during the height of the show, you know, you're falling, you're getting you're getting hundreds of thousands of likes and comments and, you know, people really reaching out to you. But the following will drop off eventually. And like those weeks or months after the show has stopped airing, you're still trying to chase that high. You're trying to chase like that perfect picture, that perfect caption.
And I had to take a step back and say, you know what? Typically the average person will not experience this, and you probably won't experience this again. Just always be yourself and post what you want because those people will be aligned to you. And no matter what, there's always going to be somebody cheering you on. There's always going to be somebody.
It's like, yes girl, post more or I mean, you never know. And then, I also said, I want to give credit to my husband because it is, I think with Brett, he is always posting whatever he wants. If he likes it, he stays true to himself. And it's like, you know what? People may like this or not, or the algorithm may push this out or it may or may not, but I need people to know who I am.
So he's always like, just been on me like two. If you like it. So who cares what people think. This is for you.
Scott
I love that and I think one of the benefits, you know, we talk to a lot of creators and I'm like, go. They'll build a following down a certain lane and then they're kind of trapped in that lane. And, you know, whatever has defined them, they have a harder time breaking out. And I think one of the beauty is like Netflix and MTV in general has such a wide audience that even if some people fall off because you know, long term, they don't love travel and they don't love, you know, beauty and they don't love certain pieces, you can just zero in on those people who do love those things and do care about kind of where you're going as an individual. And I think those people will attract more people who want to support you and want to support what you're about. So I love that approach. and I think ultimately that is the path. Long term success is being really authentic and leaning into what you love and what you want to represent.
And I think more people could benefit from not were, you know, not worrying about what the world thinks of them and what they want them to be.
Tiffany
Absolutely. And it's why it's so important to limit yourself on social media, too, because you'll just go down this rabbit hole and then you'll start to be inspired by too many people doing the same thing that you lose yourself in. So yeah, I try to take a break every now and then.
Kwame
Yeah. I think it's really funny. I actually think part of me hates the way that the social media algorithm works, it just pushes content based off of what you are seeing and what it seems like you're reacting to and liking it. So you just go down a rabbit hole of all these things that apparently you agree with.
Yeah, right. And it really, really skews things in such a negative way because like, my goal on social media is to find out new things, right? To figure out what is out in the world that I haven't seen yet. And that way I can be inspired by it. And learn from new people and new ideas. And so I wish there was a way for us to transition that way, social media wise.
But, you know, we'll see. We'll give it time. But obviously, based on the economics of things, it makes more sense for companies to just take it down a rabbit hole of these shoes.
Tiffany
I don't.
Kwame
So, I mean, you know, with you as a creator and the things that, you know, I would say your journey and how you started out and tried to understand everything, you know, now you have a new management company. You know, I'd love to know how that has really played into you as a creator, how that's helping you, how that's developing you.
Tiffany
Well, I'm so thankful for them. They came at the right time. I would say, like, back in November, it was a company that just saw potential for, like, in me. And I want to say, like, starting out as, like someone that wasn't, like, fully into this space before having a platform, not knowing what to do with it.
You're going to have a lot of people reach out to you when you are, when your numbers are high. But who are the companies that want you because they see something in you and they want to be on that journey with you. And so this company has really helped me with providing me tools that I need to be a successful creator, not a company that solely wants to make a quick buck because your numbers are high.
These are people that truly want to see you grow and know that there's a long game to this. There's a long game. There's a strategy behind this. And in reassuring you that you'll be okay through the ups and downs of this business because it happens to everyone. So my company is called Parker Management. And, I did a few interviews with people there to make sure that it was a fit, that the management would be a good fit for me.
Are we aligned on even just values and how we work and how we communicate? And so with them, just having a company that provides you weekly updates, monthly check ins provides you like, an email report of what they're bringing in, what's in the loop, what flows out. I think that is so important for me, being so new in this space and truly wanting to be a student in this space and learn from the business to not just make some money.
I want to truly learn and grow and be proud to say, hey, yes, I'm a great content creator and I've earned, to be in this space with other talented creators. So yeah, this company has been great for me. I love the management that I work with, and I love that their slogan is to be a good influence.
And that's something that I've always lived by.
Scott
I love that so much. And it resonates. I mean, when Kwame and I talked about some of the challenges facing our business, we said, we feel like the voice of the creator, the voice, the influencer, and giving them tools and resources isn't the top priority of a lot of companies in the space. And ultimately, those creators and their gifts and their following is the reason why a lot of these brands and companies get to exist and get to.
Yeah, reach an audience in a really unique way that creators and influencers can offer. And so I think it's great to hear companies giving back, and supporting with real resources and tools, creators who want to better themselves. And I think just in life, taking a really proactive approach, being a student, being, you know, seeking to run it more like, a well-informed business.
Yes. And, actually managing your own kind of fate and destiny is a great approach. And I love that you're getting that support.
Kwame
Yeah. It's like, I mean, I think to dive into, what, like a 32nd spiel of, you know, jumping into management as an influencer. You know, you have, you know, all types of management companies out there, you know, and Brett and I were actually talking about, like, influencer management companies or influencer deal brokerage companies, you know, yeah, it was a really I actually really enjoyed the conversation.
I was supposed to call them back. I will tell them. I'll call them back.
Tiffany
Okay.
Kwame
But, you know, when you start with a management company, there's exclusive or non-exclusive, you know, some companies want you all to themselves. And I think, like, based on who you are, sometimes that works a little bit better. And I think for me, when I started out, I was like, hey, I want to try to explore all my opportunities.
So I went with a non-exclusive company, so that it was like, hey, they can get me deals and then I can kind of work my way out from there. And so trying to combine the two, but also understand that there are some companies who will go out and seek and look for deals based off of the brand in the niche that you are building and who you are as a person.
And there are some other companies that might just get you deals based off of the partnerships that they have as well. Right? And so there's so many different nuances. And so I really love that you interviewed a bunch of people at this company, right, to figure out what they really want. It seems like they're really developing you as a person.
And that seems like the perfect fit, or like a real talent management company. So I think that's an important note for a lot of influencers to really pay attention to. There, you really want to understand the company that you've got, especially if you go exclusive and you sign a contract, know what they're doing for you, because you're definitely doing a lot for them.
Tiffany
Exactly, exactly. Yeah. And it's important to note their space for both. but for where I want to be, in this space, I know that this company was the best fit for me.
Scott
So we try to ask this question of everyone, and I, if it feels like you've learned a ton on your journey, and if you were to to offer one piece of really insightful advice or guidance and not just like the straightforward stuff like be authentic, but like, what's one kind of hard truth, one hard finding that you would offer to creators or influencers?
You know, that you had to learn the hard way.
Tiffany
I think it all goes back down to learning. Treat this as your business. Never stop researching when it comes to companies. When it comes to yourself, when it comes to new trends or new, new platforms to grow, your following never stops learning because this business changes instantly. It changes so quickly. So you have to like, truly love it and make sure you make this something that you're passionate about and want to learn about.
Scott
I love that, I think that's amazing advice. And it's I think if folks can really embody that learning mindset and I love what you said about loving it. And, you know, it is interesting, the people who have found the most success rate, they truly do love connecting with their audience, producing content, whether it's Twitch streaming and playing video games for a living or it's, you know, going around and launching a book, or is traveling and, helping women feel beautiful or giving them tests to look and feel confident, like, I, I think there's so many different ways that people can find passion and really love what they're doing and connect with folks, and it's just great advice.
Kwame
Well, you know, I do think when you think about, you know, the journey that everyone goes through and them trying to understand how to be a better creator and a better influencer. I think one important thing with learning and growing is treating it like a business. You know, I think a lot of people think that, hey, I can be an influencer by creating content and then sitting on my couch the rest of the day.
It's not that, you know, I was just, you know, having a conversation with someone about affiliate links, you know, that's them consistently pushing out content, showing and suggesting and recommending things to wear, things to do or stuff around the house and, you know, that person in the last year, calendar year made $1 million on affiliate links, right?
Do you know how many affiliate links you have to push out to make $1 million? Like it's unbelievable, you know? Yeah. Right. So you can be a massive success in this industry, but you have to treat it like it's your business, not just your past time, you know? And I think that's where there's a disconnect with a lot of creators.
It's like they create and then stop there. But the business of being an influencer and a creator is about a full cycle, right? When we talk to Marcel, you know, in our last episode, it was about setting a time, right? This is the block in which I'm going to stream once I'm done streaming. you know, how long does it take for me to edit?
How much? You know, content my pushing out. And he started that in 2011. And then now he's fortunate enough to be able to use his video game playing and have someone else take care of that, but for what, ten, 15 or 10, 11, 12 years? How much, however long it took him to get here, like it's a long process to get to a place where you are successful as an influencer and it's a grind and it's a lot of effort.
So it's not just creating content and letting it go.
Tiffany
It is. I have so much respect for content creators now. I'm just like, what they do is not easy to truly be yourself on camera, but to also edit these things, find the right music to pair it with how the right captions is. This takes like a whole day for me. It is very. It was very stressful at first because I didn't know what I was doing, but no like, oh, mad respect to them.
Kwame
Yeah, even something as small as, you know, our, our social team when they help us, uploads Beyond Influence on YouTube. I remember I was like, oh, don't worry, I can upload the YouTube videos. We're fine. And, Chantal, the, you know, one of our, our social media team, she told me she was like, yeah, it takes us about an hour to optimize, like, everything in this video to make sure it works the right way. And I'm like, get out of here.
Tiffany
You know what I'm saying?
Kwame
Like, there's so many little details that people don't see. They just think it's like, record something post and life is done. But there are so many things under that.
Tiffany
So maybe absolutely. Yeah.
Kwame
Yeah. And you know, I think another question, when it comes to the general things that we like to ask people, you know, you've had quite the creative journey so far and you're into it for, you know, a little bit of time now, I'd love to know, was there a partnership that you've had so far that you've really enjoyed something that was really memorable for you, or something that you think you did really well on as a, as a creator?
Tiffany
I do have one. I did a partnership with Hallmark Channel and Hilton, and it was over the holidays and I was able to go home and do this partnership with my family. We had a holiday suite that was fully decked out and, all the Christmas, decor and of course, hallmark movies streaming on their TV.
And, they had food and drinks delivered. And I was able to surprise my family with this holiday suite. I had had this with Brett as well. So to be able to do that with him, the rest of my family have my little niece just truly enjoy, like, spending time indoors with her family and wanting to stay the night with us as well.
We wanted to go home, but that was my favorite partnership because it didn't feel like work whatsoever. It was just me having a good time and making sure my family enjoyed it as well.
Scott
It's like having Christmas in a Hallmark movie when you're but literally but you're in a Hallmark movie.
Tiffany
That's when you cheer.
Scott
And you don't have to clean up at the end of it, which is like the worst part of all this thing. Christmas lights.
Tiffany
Are right. yeah. And that was the one I think I did the best on, too. I think the video quality was great. I mean, granted, I didn't have to decorate anything, but it showed up so well on camera. And just to see the natural reactions from my family, it has brought so much cheer during the holiday season, it's amazing.
Scott
I think the travel space and all of that is, is one. It's funny because that's been called out multiple times as like the deal people would want to have is an airline hotel. So I think, you know, you could probably get a lot of people to come with that content with you if you did some collaboration.
Tiffany
Like for real though. Yeah.
Kwame
You know, I think that what I've started to realize, as well as a lot of the interactive experiences and partnerships are ones that really like to have a lasting, you know, experience with us. and they give us this, they invoke a whole lot. One of my favorite partnerships, and deals that I've done was the Black Sugar love panel that I got to do with you and Brett.
You know that one. Yes. It was such an amazing experience because we got to share in that together. And it was like, you know, we got there, you know, it's always nice to get the prince or princess treatment, right? We got to, you know, we got to LA, you know, a car picked us up, took us back to the hotel.
We got this opportunity to just, like, meet all these other influencers and all these other spaces as well. these guys who, Duke, and the other guys who have their own podcast. I forget the name of the pod. Yeah, right. Nice and neat. Yeah. And so, like, it was cool to have this immersion into it, and then all of us getting an opportunity to talk about the things that meant a lot to us in our real lives, but sharing it as a partnership was just so cool.
And then obviously, like, we got to hang out after that as well. We went out for drinks and went out dancing and stuff. So I really love the immersive partnerships it really likes. It does leave a mark on an influencer creator's mind, and it really helps them really focus on the brand and what it gives them, so much so that they'll keep talking about that and doing just like natural promotion.
So I think that is definitely an area that more brands should focus on doing an interactive experience within every partnership.
Tiffany
I agree with everything you said. I mean, everything.
Scott
I was, I was thinking when you said to like, including family and making it mean, mean something more. I don't know if you follow the story of, maybe the siren who was working for Chick-fil-A and making videos. She had over 100,000 followers. They told her to stop making videos. And so, El Pollo Loco and Shake Shack ended up doing deals with her, and now she's doing full-time influencing.
But what was so cool is we helped her partner with El Pollo Loco, and they actually took her back to her hometown. And she had memories of, like, going with her uncle out to eat El Pueblo Loco. And it was like a part of her childhood. And they were like reliving that kind of moment of their childhood and the connection of family through this brand deal.
And it wasn't just this taco ad, it was something deeper. It was a human story. It was a relationship. And I thought that was executed really, really nicely. And, again, I think just being able to tie meaning and, and like the real human side, like no matter how they're following, you have a family that you care about.
You have connections. Your friends, you have things you're passionate about. I think it's important to remind, you know, folks, that creators are humans and, and have, like, real thoughts, emotions and and experiences.
Tiffany
Yeah.
Kwame
Look at that. We just had a moment.
Tiffany
I know you did. I can't wait to look up that story after this. This call.
Scott
Yeah. She's crushing it. She's done a great job. Yeah. So I'm curious, with everything you've got going on, you know, all over the world, you got, you know, your influencer stuff going on in this new agency you're a part of. What's next? What you know, what's on your radar for the rest of the year? What are you excited about?
Tiffany
Well, what is next?
Kwame
A new car.
Tiffany
What is it? You know, actually, it's got. After this car, I am driving up to Tacoma, Washington to pick up a new car. I am fully going electric. I just got an Audi Q4 e-tron. So.
Scott
Awesome.
Tiffany
I'm excited to, you know, have my new car, you know, drive up and down the state of Oregon and Washington and, but of course, like, we're still in the process of looking for a new home, right. And I will still continue to travel. And for me, I am excited too, I took a little break from work, and I'm excited to get back to, like, just a normal schedule. But do this content creation at the same time, because I also, I could be a corporate baddie and it. Yeah. Nice. So I'm really looking forward to getting back.
Scott
Those are the exact words they said on our first car.
Tiffany
Yes.
Kwame
Oh, that is so funny. and, I love that for you. Have you, have you, sort of really like having any conversation. Do you know what direction you are headed there or, you know, is that something that still is.
Tiffany
I, you know, I'll still stick with talent acquisition in HR? There are some companies that I'm eyeing. Hopefully they open up some spots, but I'm glad that this content creation space has given me the flexibility to only work for a company that I truly love and am passionate about. not out of, you know, a necessity at this time. So yeah, yeah.
Kwame
That's really dope. And, one thing that we also like to make sure that we touch on before everyone leaves, because obviously you are the creator, you are creating, you are making, content. You're working with brands and you do have some dreams. And obviously, you know, hopefully Audi finds a partnership in this somehow. But in case Audi doesn't work out, do you have any other dream brands that you would absolutely love to work with?
Tiffany
So like I said, I am still working on Niching down in the travel and beauty area. So can I give you two in each? Yes. One in yes. Niche. Okay.
Kwame
Give us any amount you want.
Tiffany
Okay. So, I have always wanted to work with Marriott in a partnership. I love all of their hotel brands and they're that umbrella. And to be able to visit their properties all around the world, that is something I would love to experience and highlight on my platform. and I think the other thing is, when it comes to beauty.
So I'm actually a big fan of Fenty Skin and Fenty Beauty. Fenty Skin is the brand that really brought my skin back to life. So when people are like two of your skin is glowing, like, what do you do? It's all Fenty Skin and it's not a lot of products. It's literally three products I use on my face, and it has done wonders.
Shout out to Riri! But also with Fenty Beauty. I've actually done a partnership with them, but it was with the perfume. I would love to work with them when it comes to makeup, because that is something that I'm trying to explore more, more and show people how you can do a natural look or, do some bold makeup with some lipstick lashes, all that stuff.
So, yeah, those are my brands. So my brand's awesome.
Scott
So, so so some, So I'm getting ready with Tiffany. Marriott's Around the World Fenty.
Tiffany
Right. Let's do it. And it's a thank you. Got her down.
Scott
We got a whole series going on. Okay, I can say with Kwami, we're super excited for all the success you had. you know, both on the show and off the show. I think, you know, there's no doubt that people love you, and. And also, Brett and your story, but, people love you, so I don't want to lump you into the identity of you and Brett, but now I, I think, you know, there's a lot of people out there rooting for you.
And I just love some points you brought up about finding identity and what that means to you and pursuing what makes you happy and what is genuinely you and finding, you know, an ever-evolving and a new version of yourself. I think that's a message creator or not, we should all listen to us.
So I'm really excited for you and all your success.
Tiffany
I really appreciate that, Scott. Thank you.
Kwame
Yeah. And, to sum that up and end this on a high note, once again, we are very grateful that you were here, spending your time with us, telling you all about the things that matter to you and how that lines up to your life as a creator and on beyond that. So, Tiffany, thank you so much for being here with us today.
We appreciate you can't wait to see you succeed in so many big ways. Cannot wait to see you in that fly new Audi.
Tiffany
Oh yeah.
Kwame
Thank you so much for joining us. And, thank you, everyone else, for tuning in today. We will see you next week. Bye bye.
Tiffany
Bye, y'all. I wanna hear you go.